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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196120997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196120997">(May 03 2020 at 20:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>If a family of crates would like to have a stream to discuss their ongoing development and maintenance, what would be the appropriate naming for such a stream? <code>crates/cratename</code> perhaps?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121223" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121223">(May 03 2020 at 20:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>What family? We currently generally strive for a policy of only "official" discussion happening within this Zulip instance</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121312" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121312">(May 03 2020 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>ansi_term, which is rather high-profile (anything using clap depends on it, as do various other things).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121315">(May 03 2020 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's moving to group maintenance.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121330">(May 03 2020 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seemed like this might be a reasonable place for discussions about its ongoing development and maintenance.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121491">(May 03 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think basically I'd probably say that if it's not under rust-lang we shouldn't have it here, though note that zulip is free for open source. Note that all that is technically needed, IMO, to move something under the rust-lang umbrella is for a team member (doesn't have to be libs) to champion that and be involved with the project they're asking to be moved in</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121500">(May 03 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Ideally we'd also have some rough assurances of "nice community membership" and such, but I don't think that's a concern here)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121502">(May 03 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's exactly the conversation I was currently having with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span>. :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121508">(May 03 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm becoming a maintainer of it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121538" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121538">(May 03 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah. In that case, it seems fine IMO to move it under the rust-lang umbrella and to create a stream here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121577">(May 03 2020 at 20:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't want to impose if this is something that isn't normally done. I personally think it's a good idea, though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121623" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121623">(May 03 2020 at 20:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>We don't really have policies in place, but I think it's a reasonable ask; IMO Zulip handles "lots of streams" and streams that not <em>everyone</em> wants to see well.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121634" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121634">(May 03 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>That makes sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121635" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121635">(May 03 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. on Discord I would say hard no because Discord does not handle streams well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121640">(May 03 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>And ironically, Discord is where we've created lots of random channels.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121644">(May 03 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>But yeah, it doesn't handle "channels not everyone wants to see" very well.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121653">(May 03 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh, you're not wrong :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121656">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you think that <code>crates/ansi_term</code> would be a reasonable stream name?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121657">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm happy to create the stream and transfer the repo for you though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121699" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121699">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can create the stream; I just wanted a second opinion.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121701" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121701">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, that seems reasonable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121710">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>And as for repository transfer, working on arranging that (by gaining admin permissions to the existing repo).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121712" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121712">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah okay, wasn't sure if you had permissions (you should though)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121715" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121715">(May 03 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>wait</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121731" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121731">(May 03 2020 at 20:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>my understanding is that there wouldn't be a rust team maintaining that crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121743">(May 03 2020 at 20:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>(josh pinged me in private about this)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121760">(May 03 2020 at 20:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm, oh, maybe I misunderstood then -- I had thought that the group Josh spoke of would be a Rust team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121761" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121761">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should have clarified</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121799">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F/near/196121491" title="#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F/near/196121491">said</a>:</p>
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<p>I think basically I'd probably say that if it's not under rust-lang we shouldn't have it here, though note that zulip is free for open source. Note that all that is technically needed, IMO, to move something under the rust-lang umbrella is for a team member (doesn't have to be libs) to champion that and be involved with the project they're asking to be moved in</p>
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<p>^ I was going based on this.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121802" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121802">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I'm confused somehow.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121805">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the bar isn't super clear, fwiw</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121807">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me nods.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121814">(May 03 2020 at 20:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I personally am fine with team members putting important projects that they're (helping) maintaining in rust-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121825" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121825">(May 03 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think there's not necessarily consensus on that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121827" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121827">(May 03 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know there's precedent for it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121840">(May 03 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>But if there's a reason why it might not be a good idea, I wouldn't want to misstep here.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121890">(May 03 2020 at 20:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>The main thing we'd want to avoid, I think, is the impression that ansi_term is "blessed" as compared with the other similar crates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121895">(May 03 2020 at 20:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>which I guess if we did this would sort of be true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121899">(May 03 2020 at 20:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(even if not <em>really</em> true, it could appear as such)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121908">(May 03 2020 at 20:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think this would have that effect; that would reverse the cause-and-effect here.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121930">(May 03 2020 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's not popular because we're putting it in rust-lang, it's already popular and widely used, and needs improved maintenance.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121933">(May 03 2020 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not sure I follow? crates that have repositories under rust-lang appear blessed, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121942">(May 03 2020 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>also if we want to eventually have all permissions managed through the github teams and the team repo, it would be a bit weird to assign a team owning that repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196121944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196121944">(May 03 2020 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm more so saying that I wouldn't want to create the impression that if you're choosing a crate you should "obviously" go for the one in rust-lang vs. the one in someotherperson</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122009">(May 03 2020 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure. In my opinion, they look blessed if they're put under rust-lang when they're not <em>already</em> widely used and popular in their own right.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122033" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122033">(May 03 2020 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> Don't we already have a few repositories for which we do that?</p>



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<p>Hm, I think maybe we're speaking about different blessings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122051" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122051">(May 03 2020 at 20:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure if that's a good idea though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122061" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122061">(May 03 2020 at 20:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me is fine with going along with consensus here, and just wants to figure out what that consensus is. ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122118">(May 03 2020 at 20:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> say more?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122121" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122121">(May 03 2020 at 20:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(what specifically isn't a good idea?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122124" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122124">(May 03 2020 at 20:42)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Don't we already have a few repositories for which we do that?</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122147">(May 03 2020 at 20:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, you mean you wouldn't take the precedent as a reason to go further?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122154" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122154">(May 03 2020 at 20:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>To clarify the "that", I was asking, don't we already have repositories on <a href="http://github.com/rust-lang" title="http://github.com/rust-lang">github.com/rust-lang</a> that are maintained by people not otherwise defined by a governance team, and we have a list of those maintainers for which we grant the appropriate permissions?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122219" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122219">(May 03 2020 at 20:44)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>oh, you mean you wouldn't take the precedent as a reason to go further?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah, especially as we're moving torwards tightening permissions (with the team repo and the new access policy rfc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122227" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122227">(May 03 2020 at 20:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hm, so kind of -- e.g. git2, backtrace</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122250" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122250">(May 03 2020 at 20:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>If we did this, I would have assumed that there'd be a <code>crate-ansi-term.toml</code> or similar added to <code>rust-lang/team</code>, and it'd list the people who should have permissions to that repository, for automatic maintenance.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122257" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122257">(May 03 2020 at 20:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Rather than hand-adding individual people to a repository's permissions.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122264">(May 03 2020 at 20:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>(And there should probably be a <code>crate-git2.toml</code>, similarly.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122315">(May 03 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> isn't git2 practically maintained by the cargo team?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122316">(May 03 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Or just a <code>crates.toml</code> and put all of the individual crate maintainers in it.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122332" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122332">(May 03 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> Not exactly. There's a set of people helping to maintain it, some of which are on the cargo team, I think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122334">(May 03 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think there's any formal declaration as such, and I would say more so that maybe "git2 is maintained mostly by Alex" would be my read</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122339">(May 03 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that may be outdated though)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122348">(May 03 2020 at 20:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> Outdated, yes. Note that Alex is trying to stop maintaining git2, and others are trying to step up, though it's...a process. :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122358" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122358">(May 03 2020 at 20:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me is glad to have brought this up, as we should probably sort it out.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122402" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122402">(May 03 2020 at 20:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>To the extent we already maintain crates in rust-lang, we should move to automated permission maintenance, whether we use that as precedent for other crates or not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122412">(May 03 2020 at 20:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm happy to help with that.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122473">(May 03 2020 at 20:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm, backtrace is fully managed by the libs team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122475">(May 03 2020 at 20:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, okay.</p>
<p>I would say that personally I would want the ideal state to be that rust-lang only contains projects that are "official" (e.g. have a Rust team backing them to some extent). For git2, for example, I could see us saying "this is a critical piece of Rust library ecosystem and we want to ensure its maintainership" or something like that. But that's a hard line to cut clearly...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122548">(May 03 2020 at 20:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> how do you come to that conclusion about backtrace?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122566">(May 03 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122571">(May 03 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I would not go off of permissions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122575">(May 03 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>that just means that whoever configured that found that the easiest thing to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122578" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122578">(May 03 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122582">(May 03 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>It also wouldn't surprise me if it's correct in that particular crate's case.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122628">(May 03 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>But we should check some other crate repos. What do git2's permissions look like?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122633" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122633">(May 03 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>iirc backtrace is also used in the stdlib, so it'd make sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122636" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122636">(May 03 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>well to be clear I would not make any judgements based on permissions :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122668">(May 03 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Absolutely; more trying to figure out the current practical state of some repos.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122697">(May 03 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>git2 is josh and ehuss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122705">(May 03 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>And libz-sys?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122848" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122848">(May 03 2020 at 20:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>just you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122856">(May 03 2020 at 20:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Oh. I thought there were others on that one....)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122861">(May 03 2020 at 20:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me should really work on that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122869" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122869">(May 03 2020 at 20:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>honestly I don't see much point in having something not managed by the rust team in the rust-lang org</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122879" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122879">(May 03 2020 at 20:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>"the rust team" meaning some existing Rust governance team or working group?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122927">(May 03 2020 at 20:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122932" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122932">(May 03 2020 at 20:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or a new working group under a governance team)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122951" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122951">(May 03 2020 at 20:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I certainly don't want to make more work for you and other infra folks, if that would be the net effect.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122959">(May 03 2020 at 20:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> We moved away from ansi_term in clap v3 and are using BurntSushi's termcolor</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196122974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196122974">(May 03 2020 at 20:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>And we will be recommending usage of <code>console</code> (I am the new maintainer) because we got <code>console</code> working on windows correctly too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123010">(May 03 2020 at 21:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>while ansi_term doesn't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123029" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123029">(May 03 2020 at 21:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="254853">@pksunkara</span> Oh, huh. I didn't know clap had moved over.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123050" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123050">(May 03 2020 at 21:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not really extra work for the infra team to have more repos in the org</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123055" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123055">(May 03 2020 at 21:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, it had issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123063">(May 03 2020 at 21:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me has been trying to fix those issues, including the Windows issues.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123083" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123083">(May 03 2020 at 21:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me moves that discussion to a separate thread.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123116">(May 03 2020 at 21:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>We can continue at <a class="stream" data-stream-id="220302" href="/#narrow/stream/220302-wg-cli">#wg-cli</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123134">(May 03 2020 at 21:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I can't see the advantage of using the rust-lang org if a crate is not maintained by some team/wg in the rust governance</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123143">(May 03 2020 at 21:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, what's the problem of having a rust-ansi-term/ansi-term on github?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123169">(May 03 2020 at 21:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can certainly do that, and if the consensus is not to use rust-lang, that's what I'll be doing. But it seemed worth asking about what the right path would be in this case.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123255" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123255">(May 03 2020 at 21:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I'd disagree that there's no advantage to being in rust-lang (you get infra support, for one thing) but it's probably true that we want to be cautious about granting that when there's competition in the space some crate is in (e.g. ansi-term vs console vs termcolor etc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123444" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123444">(May 03 2020 at 21:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Alright. That sounds like a pretty clear answer to me. :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196123456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196123456">(May 03 2020 at 21:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks for helping talk this through. I'll plan on creating a separate org, then.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196290565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196290565">(May 05 2020 at 10:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was planning on creating a separate unofficial instance for various crates, so that each crate can occupy a stream and their users can opt in to whichever crate they prefer.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196315674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196315674">(May 05 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> I don't know if this relates to your specific case, but I've thought of project groups as the formal mechanism by which someone could say to a team "We need to maintain this project, and I'm willing to do it on a team's behalf".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate%20stream%20prefix%3F/near/196349530" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pksunkara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122653-zulip/topic/Crate.20stream.20prefix.3F.html#196349530">(May 05 2020 at 18:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I actually like this idea of separate instance</p>



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